Last edited by @suen 2024-12-18T21:58:51Z
那这么看咱们政治课相当好辣
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欧美文科教育内容值得学习，但欧美很多学校配不上这些好东西
其实吧，可能咱们需要的是学校们和教育家们的改变，而不是通过佐证外国人也没学好来证明这种教育理念的错误
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其实国内政治课也并非不讲类似的内容，只不过高一没有吧
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不要把北专当常态。
放心，高二的教科书也大多都是是魔改马哲，中特社和习思想
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中國政治課有一定洗腦的作用在，但是影響只能說願者上鉤了
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有没有一种可能，现在咱们政治课本每年都修订
这被称为“与时俱进”和“吸纳党的最新理论成果”
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@Creative ，你认为政治教科书需要时政内容吗？
政治教科书有可能在实质上“与时俱进”嘛？
如果可能，具体应该如何修订？
如果不可能，请给出理由
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Okay, let’s break down the discussion in the image and your questions.
Summary of the Social Media Post
The post highlights a political science curriculum at a UK state (public) secondary school. It mentions:
- Content: The course covers a range of topics, including voting behavior, political parties, political ideologies (conservatism, socialism, liberalism), and the comparison of democracy with other forms of government.
- Reading Material: Students engage with the works of prominent political philosophers like Plato, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Burke, Kant, Marx, Weber, Thatcher, and Churchill. However, they are only reading excerpts, not entire works.
- Anecdote: A teacher used an analogy of “divorce” to describe the relationship between Russia and Ukraine, using a slightly negative view of Ukraine.
- Emphasis: The poster emphasizes that this curriculum is offered at a state school, implying it’s not exclusive to elite or private institutions.
Chinese User Responses
The Chinese user responses to this post are quite interesting and raise several points regarding China’s political education:
- Comparison to Chinese Political Education: Some users are impressed, noting how “good” the UK’s political science curriculum appears. Others acknowledge that similar content may exist in the Chinese curriculum, albeit perhaps not in earlier grades like high school. They see a need for better and more challenging education in China
- Critique of Chinese Political Education:
- “Brainwashing”: Some users assert that Chinese political education is primarily about indoctrination and “wishful thinking,” that it only influences those who are willing to be influenced.
- Lack of Substance/Changing Curriculum: Users express concern that the content of China’s political science textbooks is dictated by the will of the ruling power, and are revised every year, losing its inherent value. They call this “keeping up with the times” and “incorporating the latest theoretical achievements of the Party.”
- Need for Reform: There is a call for change within Chinese schools and from educators, rather than trying to justify the current educational model by proving that other countries also have problems. Some believe that the issue isn’t the curriculum’s ideology itself, but how it is executed in education.
Your Questions and Analysis
Now, let’s address your questions directly:
1. "@Creative,你认为政治教科书需要时政内容吗？ (Do you think political textbooks need current affairs content?)
- Yes, but with careful consideration. In general, political textbooks should include current affairs to demonstrate the practical application of political theory and to make the subject relatable for students. However, the inclusion of contemporary events poses challenges:
- Objectivity: The biggest risk is bias. Current affairs are often contested and presented from various perspectives. Political textbooks need to offer neutral analysis of situations and not propaganda.
- Rapid Change: Current events are constantly evolving, and material can become outdated quickly.
- Complexity: Contemporary events can be complex, with multiple factors at play. Textbook material needs to break these complexities down into digestable information.
- Examples of good current affairs inclusion: Discussions of social movements, the impact of technologies on democracy, analysis of global issues like climate change, international relations, and their implications for government and politics.
- Examples of bad current affairs inclusion: Overly-simplified narratives that favor one side, using textbook as a platform for specific political party ideology or leaders.
2. 政治教科书有可能在实质上“与时俱进”嘛？ (Is it possible for political textbooks to genuinely “keep up with the times?”)
- Yes, in theory, but highly challenging in practice. “与时俱进” (keeping up with the times) is a good goal if it means incorporating new ideas, global trends, and relevant issues. However, what usually happens is that “keeping up with the times” ends up becoming a tool for rewriting history and revising the party doctrine based on the current leaders’ wishes. The revisions should focus on improving clarity, better explanations, and better teaching practices.
- Challenges:
- Political Constraints: As some of the users pointed out, if a political textbook is subject to frequent revisions driven by a current government’s agenda, it loses any sense of intellectual stability and its value becomes highly questionable.
- Curriculum Development Process: Textbook creation and updating often involve complex processes, which are not always transparent or efficient. It can often be more about fulfilling quotas and political mandates than to actual improvements.
- Neutrality: Achieving genuine “progress” is hard when revisions are made through a political lens, when the goal is not to provide education but to build a certain form of ideology.
3. 如果可能，具体应该如何修订？ (If possible, how should it be specifically revised?)
- Focus on Critical Thinking:
- Introduce multiple perspectives: Instead of presenting single narratives, present varied viewpoints on political issues to promote analysis.
- Debate and Dialogue: Encourage classroom debate and critical discussion, and provide a space where students can come up with their own perspectives.
- Primary Sources: Use primary source materials so students can analyze political documents and ideas directly.
- Curriculum Content:
- Political Theories: Focus more on political theory, political science, and philosophy instead of party line and indoctrination.
- Comparative Politics: Provide a wider comparative view, exploring different political systems, histories, and cultures (not just Western).
- Contemporary Issues: Discuss current issues in a neutral way.
- Transparency:
- Clear Objectives: Clearly define the learning goals and methods for political education.
- Stakeholder Input: Include educators, scholars, and potentially even student feedback in the revision process.
- Avoid Indoctrination: The curriculum should seek to develop informed citizens, not to create political disciples.
4. 如果不可能，请给出理由 (If not possible, please provide reasons)
- Political Control and Censorship: If the government (or the ruling party) exerts tight control over the educational system and the content of the curriculum, genuine “progress” can’t be made.
- Resistance to Change: If there’s an unwillingness to change from the officials and the textbook writers, then any attempt to update the curriculum will only result in minor cosmetic changes.
- Lack of Academic Freedom: Without academic freedom in schools, political science education will always have significant limitations.
In Conclusion
The image and the comments show a fundamental tension between political education as a tool for indoctrination and political education as a tool for critical thinking and informed citizenship. It’s important that political science in schools becomes more than a tool for propaganda and that instead develops critical thinking and a good understanding of the political world in students. The ability of a political curriculum to genuinely “keep up with the times” depends heavily on the political environment, level of academic freedom, and the goals of those who control the education system.
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@Creative 翻译成中文
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好的，这是对之前讨论的中文翻译：
社交媒体帖子的总结
帖子展示了英国一所公立中学（state school）的政治科学课程。内容包括：
- 课程内容： 课程涵盖了投票行为、政党、政治意识形态（保守主义、社会主义、自由主义），以及民主与其他政府形式的比较等主题。
- 阅读材料： 学生会接触到柏拉图、霍布斯、洛克、卢梭、伯克、康德、马克思·韦伯、撒切尔和丘吉尔等著名政治哲学家的著作，但只是阅读节选，而非全书。
- 轶事： 一位老师用“离婚”的比喻来描述俄罗斯和乌克兰之间的关系，其中对乌克兰的看法略有负面。
- 强调： 发帖者强调该课程是在公立学校提供的，暗示它并非精英或私立机构的专属。
中国网友的评论
中国网友对这篇帖子的评论很有意思，提出了关于中国政治教育的几个观点：
- 与中国政治教育的比较： 一些用户对此印象深刻，认为英国的政治科学课程看起来“很好”。另一些人承认中国课程中可能存在类似的内容，但可能不在高中等较低年级。他们认为中国需要更好、更具挑战性的教育。
- 对中国政治教育的批评：
- “洗脑”： 一些用户断言，中国的政治教育主要是关于灌输和“一厢情愿”，它只影响那些愿意被影响的人。
- 缺乏实质/不断变化的课程： 用户们担心中国政治课本的内容受当权者意志支配，每年都会修订，失去了其内在价值。他们称之为“与时俱进”和“吸纳党的最新理论成果”。
- 需要改革： 有人呼吁中国学校和教育工作者进行改革，而不是试图通过证明其他国家也有问题来为当前的教育模式辩护。一些人认为问题不在于课程意识形态本身，而在于它在教育中的执行方式。
您的问题和分析
现在，让我们直接回答您的问题：
1. @Creative，你认为政治教科书需要时政内容吗？（你认为政治教科书需要包含时事内容吗？）
- 是的，但要谨慎考虑。 一般来说，政治教科书应该包含时事，以展示政治理论的实际应用，并使该主题与学生产生共鸣。然而，纳入当代事件也带来挑战：
- 客观性： 最大的风险是偏见。时事往往存在争议，并且从不同的角度呈现。政治教科书需要对情况进行中立的分析，而不是宣传。
- 快速变化： 时事不断发展，材料会很快过时。
- 复杂性： 当代事件可能很复杂，涉及多种因素。教科书材料需要将这些复杂性分解成易于理解的信息。
- 良好时事纳入的例子： 对社会运动的讨论、技术对民主的影响、对气候变化等全球问题的分析、国际关系及其对政府和政治的影响。
- 不良时事纳入的例子： 过度简化、偏袒一方的叙述，将教科书作为特定政党意识形态或领导人的宣传平台。
2. 政治教科书有可能在实质上“与时俱进”吗？（政治教科书有可能在实质上“与时俱进”吗？）
- 理论上是可能的，但在实践中极具挑战性。 “与时俱进” 如果意味着融入新思想、全球趋势和相关问题，那么这是一个好目标。然而，通常发生的情况是，“与时俱进”最终成为根据现任领导人的意愿改写历史和修改党章的工具。修订应侧重于提高清晰度、更好的解释和更好的教学实践。
- 挑战：
- 政治制约： 正如一些用户指出的那样，如果政治教科书受当前政府议程驱动的频繁修订，它就会失去任何智力上的稳定性，其价值也会受到高度质疑。
- 课程开发过程： 教科书的创建和更新通常涉及复杂的过程，这些过程并不总是透明或高效。它通常更多地是关于完成配额和政治任务，而不是实际的改进。
- 中立性： 当修订通过政治视角进行时，当目标不是提供教育而是构建某种形式的意识形态时，很难实现真正的“进步”。
3. 如果可能，具体应该如何修订？（如果可能，应该如何具体修订？）
- 侧重于批判性思维：
- 引入多种视角： 不要呈现单一叙述，而是呈现关于政治问题的不同观点，以促进分析。
- 辩论和对话： 鼓励课堂辩论和批判性讨论，并为学生提供提出自己观点的空间。
- 原始资料： 使用原始资料，以便学生可以直接分析政治文件和思想。
- 课程内容：
- 政治理论： 更多地关注政治理论、政治科学和哲学，而不是党派路线和灌输。
- 比较政治学： 提供更广泛的比较视角，探索不同的政治制度、历史和文化（不仅仅是西方）。
- 当代问题： 以中立的方式讨论当前的问题。
- 透明度：
- 明确的目标： 明确定义政治教育的学习目标和方法。
- 利益相关者的投入： 在修订过程中纳入教育工作者、学者，甚至可能包括学生的反馈。
- 避免灌输： 课程应力求培养知情的公民，而不是培养政治门徒。
4. 如果不可能，请给出理由（如果不可能，请说明理由）
- 政治控制和审查： 如果政府（或执政党）对教育系统和课程内容进行严格控制，就不可能实现真正的“进步”。
- 对变革的抵制： 如果官员和教科书编写者不愿改变，那么任何更新课程的尝试只会导致细微的表面变化。
- 缺乏学术自由： 如果学校没有学术自由，政治科学教育将始终存在重大局限性。
结论
该帖子和评论显示，政治教育作为一种灌输工具和政治教育作为一种批判性思维和知情公民工具之间存在根本的紧张关系。重要的是，学校的政治科学不仅仅成为宣传的工具，而是培养学生的批判性思维和对政治世界的良好理解。政治课程是否能够真正“与时俱进”，很大程度上取决于政治环境、学术自由的程度以及那些控制教育系统的人的目标。
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与时俱进是为了更好的拍马屁
洗脑的实质不可能变
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政治这学科教的就是统治者意志
（ @chw 你怎么看）
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中国这么多年在同一个旗子下不停变动，根本无法创造一套自洽的政治理论（任何政治理论都是意识形态的一部分）。所以政治教科书就成了一坨。
展开说说
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@Creative ，你也来，请概述中国政治教科书的政治理论，分析其中的不自洽之处
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